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The Marching 100 drum major corps existed to give students a chance to show that they could exercise responsibility. Many of the band members selected for this honor took the job seriously and went on to make the university proud during their post-graduation years.




One shining example is Adam J. Richardson, Jr., who went from being the 100’s head drum major to an internationally admired bishop in the A.M.E. Church.




The band administration used to trust its drum majors to help report hazing. But the drum major corps from Fall 2011 went rogue and betrayed that trust.




Four of the ex-drum majors from Fall 2011 were charged with hazing. An investigation by the Orange County Sheriff’s Office concluded that two other drum majors from that year, Keon Hollis and Robert Champion, “willingly participated” in hazing.




Sylvester Young, FAMU’s new director of bands, has decided to scrap the drum major corps as part of his efforts to restructure the Marching 100 into a safer organization. The 100 will now have a small, select group of three “field commanders.”



The new 100 won’t have student “section leaders,” either. Each section will have a “principal,” instead.




According to a Tampa Bay Times article by FAMU alumna Tia Mitchell, Young “said campus administrators suggested the new title because now only adult band staff will lead rehearsals and teach students.”




This is the right approach. The old 100 was overrun with unauthorized groups like the so-called “Gestapo” and “Clones.” FAMU still has to do battle against the influence of the former students who were associated with those wannabe gangs.




By stripping away much of the power that the band’s student “section leaders” and “drum majors” once held, FAMU has cleared the way for tighter administrative control over the band’s activities. This will help band members get into the habit of doing what the university staffers who enforce the rules say instead doing what their immature peers might say.

The Marching 100 drum major corps existed to give students a chance to show that they could exercise responsibility. Many of the band members selected for this honor took the job seriously and went on to make the university proud during their post-graduation years.




One shining example is Adam J. Richardson, Jr., who went from being the 100’s head drum major to an internationally admired bishop in the A.M.E. Church.




The band administration used to trust its drum majors to help report hazing. But the drum major corps from Fall 2011 went rogue and betrayed that trust.




Four of the ex-drum majors from Fall 2011 were charged with hazing. An investigation by the Orange County Sheriff’s Office concluded that two other drum majors from that year, Keon Hollis and Robert Champion, “willingly participated” in hazing.




Sylvester Young, FAMU’s new director of bands, has decided to scrap the drum major corps as part of his efforts to restructure the Marching 100 into a safer organization. The 100 will now have a small, select group of three “field commanders.”



The new 100 won’t have student “section leaders,” either. Each section will have a “principal,” instead.




According to a Tampa Bay Times article by FAMU alumna Tia Mitchell, Young “said campus administrators suggested the new title because now only adult band staff will lead rehearsals and teach students.”




This is the right approach. The old 100 was overrun with unauthorized groups like the so-called “Gestapo” and “Clones.” FAMU still has to do battle against the influence of the former students who were associated with those wannabe gangs.




By stripping away much of the power that the band’s student “section leaders” and “drum majors” once held, FAMU has cleared the way for tighter administrative control over the band’s activities. This will help band members get into the habit of doing what the university staffers who enforce the rules say instead doing what their immature peers might say.


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Aside from the commentary, I think this is a good idea.


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:lol: I can only laugh at this...



This is semantics at best. Sections Leaders will now be called "principles"? Okay

... I commened everything that Administration has done but I just dont think this makes much of a difference either way. But I guess if you're going to start freash, you've got to do away with all things old. So I get it from that stand point...


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Dr. Young brought these student leader references with him from ohio univ. That's what they're called up there too.

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So basically, they just used mass marketing wordplay to re-brand the same positions, and this is supposed to make a difference.....


.....ok, then. Good thing I'm not either a) marching, or b) associated with that org. I'd be pretty PO at the spin-tactic someone just pulled.

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Actually it is not just word play. Read closely......before section leaders were allowed to have unsupervised sectional rehearsals anytime they chose. Drum majors had a great deal of unsupervised power too like on buses etc. Their power is limited now and also its a mental thing. When you change names....... perception does too.


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The product on the field should be better, as you'll have more hands on interaction by the different directors.

I don't see it as a spin, but as a way to protect ourselves until we are comfortable with the way things are being handled and/or executed. It's not for everyone, and not all bands have enough staff members to do what we're going to be doing.

This actually allows our rehearsals to be more structured and focused on the tasks at hand.

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Hurricane Mir wrote:
So basically, they just used mass marketing wordplay to re-brand the same positions, and this is supposed to make a difference.....


.....ok, then. Good thing I'm not either a) marching, or b) associated with that org. I'd be pretty PO at the spin-tactic someone just pulled.


I agree 110% here. "Field Commanders"...."principles"? Okay...so your taking it upon yourself to bring something different to the table. Now...what is the difference in a drum major/field commander and a section leader/principle? Theres a word for that.. "Rebranding" is what those city folk say lol.

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Principal is an orchestral term. The high level functionality is the same as the section leader nomenclature, with some differences, given the ensemble that the title principal is being applied to.

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Hurricane Mir wrote:
So basically, they just used mass marketing wordplay to re-brand the same positions, and this is supposed to make a difference.....


.....ok, then. Good thing I'm not either a) marching, or b) associated with that org. I'd be pretty PO at the spin-tactic someone just pulled.



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Now...what is the difference in a drum major/field commander and a section leader/principle?

The difference was stated in the article.

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does the change to "field commanders" mean no more show boating and get them dang tubas on and off the field as expeditiously as possible? :thumbsup:


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Actually it is not just word play. Read closely......before section leaders were allowed to have unsupervised sectional rehearsals anytime they chose. Drum majors had a great deal of unsupervised power too like on buses etc. Their power is limited now and also its a mental thing. When you change names....... perception does too.

If you could only post like this every time.

This post makes a lot of sense.

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WildcatJay wrote:
Diligent wrote:
Actually it is not just word play. Read closely......before section leaders were allowed to have unsupervised sectional rehearsals anytime they chose. Drum majors had a great deal of unsupervised power too like on buses etc. Their power is limited now and also its a mental thing. When you change names....... perception does too.

If you could only post like this every time.

This post makes a lot of sense.


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DUB305 wrote:
Hurricane Mir wrote:
So basically, they just used mass marketing wordplay to re-brand the same positions, and this is supposed to make a difference.....


.....ok, then. Good thing I'm not either a) marching, or b) associated with that org. I'd be pretty PO at the spin-tactic someone just pulled.


I agree 110% here. "Field Commanders"...."principles"? Okay...so your taking it upon yourself to bring something different to the table. Now...what is the difference in a drum major/field commander and a section leader/principle? Theres a word for that.. "Rebranding" is what those city folk say lol.


Okay, so, I've been pretty objective in my views and comments on the band since this went down, even as a former member.

But ya'll have pretty much drifted into hater territory with these comments.

How is reforming the system under which the band operated, including the names and duties of the student leaders, a "spin-tactic?"

I think both of you are deflecting because you know your band programs will be implementing the same changes in a few years, once again proving that the "100" sets the standard.

:roll:

In other news, Dr. Young will announce the band's first performance on Friday. I'm sure they'll be a thread for those truly interested in seeing the results of the changes put in place.


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The band administration used to trust its drum majors to help report hazing. But the drum major corps from Fall 2011 went rogue and betrayed that trust.


So they are just gonna throw 2011 DM's under the bus like they started the whole ordeal lol? smh

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The band administration used to trust its drum majors to help report hazing. But the drum major corps from Fall 2011 went rogue and betrayed that trust.


So they are just gonna throw 2011 DM's under the bus like they started the whole ordeal lol? smh



Hence one of the reasons I laughed when I initially read this.




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The band administration used to trust its drum majors to help report hazing. But the drum major corps from Fall 2011 went rogue and betrayed that trust.


So they are just gonna throw 2011 DM's under the bus like they started the whole ordeal lol? smh


They are pointing out that the DMs were hazing and allowing themselves to be hazed. It has been proven so they pointed it out. Did the DMs from 2010 and back do the same? Possibly but as there is no solid proof they can not slander those former DMs.

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DUB305 wrote:
Hurricane Mir wrote:
So basically, they just used mass marketing wordplay to re-brand the same positions, and this is supposed to make a difference.....


.....ok, then. Good thing I'm not either a) marching, or b) associated with that org. I'd be pretty PO at the spin-tactic someone just pulled.


I agree 110% here. "Field Commanders"...."principles"? Okay...so your taking it upon yourself to bring something different to the table. Now...what is the difference in a drum major/field commander and a section leader/principle? Theres a word for that.. "Rebranding" is what those city folk say lol.


Okay, so, I've been pretty objective in my views and comments on the band since this went down, even as a former member.

But ya'll have pretty much drifted into hater territory with these comments.

How is reforming the system under which the band operated, including the names and duties of the student leaders, a "spin-tactic?"

I think both of you are deflecting because you know your band programs will be implementing the same changes in a few years, once again proving that the "100" sets the standard.

:roll:

In other news, Dr. Young will announce the band's first performance on Friday. I'm sure they'll be a thread for those truly interested in seeing the results of the changes put in place.

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HBCU bands will be spending some money in the near future on staff increases, not to keep up with the "100," but to ensure that they aren't "next."

As I've said before, and as skeptic just pointed out, people are watching what FAMU is doing, and will be following suit in some form or fashion. They want to see HOW this is going to work for us, then tailor it to fit their program, their culture.

You may not like the "100," but you don't want to lose a year LIKE the "100."

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The band administration used to trust its drum majors to help report hazing. But the drum major corps from Fall 2011 went rogue and betrayed that trust.


So they are just gonna throw 2011 DM's under the bus like they started the whole ordeal lol? smh


They are pointing out that the DMs were hazing and allowing themselves to be hazed. It has been proven so they pointed it out. Did the DMs from 2010 and back do the same? Possibly but as there is no solid proof they can not slander those former DMs.

AND THIS TOO.

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Ohio Univ's definition of a Field Commander:

The Field Commander is the highest student-held position in the Marching 110. The Field Commander's basic responsibility is the fundamental marching technique of the band. Other duties include the heightening of moral, discipline, and esprit d' corps of the Marching 110.

To me, pretty much same duties(probably limited), but a different name.

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The product on the field should be better, as you'll have more hands on interaction by the different directors.

I don't see it as a spin, but as a way to protect ourselves until we are comfortable with the way things are being handled and/or executed. It's not for everyone, and not all bands have enough staff members to do what we're going to be doing.

This actually allows our rehearsals to be more structured and focused on the tasks at hand.



BW100, this is ONLY a question for you....... Why if I may ask didn't or haven't YOU sought to become a more intricate part of the Infrastructure (Asst. Director, Liason, or etc.) of the "100", seeing as those you have been ONE of MANY former members who has the working knowledge of the "100" as a Band member, DM, and Alumni President.

Your knowledge of the "100" and history of the band would be of great assistance to some young person who would attend FAM?????

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skeptic wrote:
Okay, so, I've been pretty objective in my views and comments on the band since this went down, even as a former member.

But ya'll have pretty much drifted into hater territory with these comments.

How is reforming the system under which the band operated, including the names and duties of the student leaders, a "spin-tactic?"

I think both of you are deflecting because you know your band programs will be implementing the same changes in a few years, once again proving that the "100" sets the standard.
:roll:

In other news, Dr. Young will announce the band's first performance on Friday. I'm sure they'll be a thread for those truly interested in seeing the results of the changes put in place.



:lol: @ "set the standard"... If you say so.



This is far from setting a standard. What this is, is the equivalent of us neighbors (other programs) watching a fellow neighbor (FAMU) come home from jail with a home arrest ankle bracelet on, a probation officer, and a curfew. Nobody sees that as any "standard", but if that makes you feel better, hey, that's cool too.


FAMU will proably be more than half their size next year, their drum maj...'err "field generals" have been down sized to 3, setion lea....err "Principles" roles will be minimized, policy and procedures have been tightened, travel has been restricted.... Hardly any reason for anyone to be hating...

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Ohio Univ's definition of a Field Commander:

The Field Commander is the highest student-held position in the Marching 110. The Field Commander's basic responsibility is the fundamental marching technique of the band. Other duties include the heightening of moral, discipline, and esprit d' corps of the Marching 110.

To me, pretty much same duties(probably limited), but a different name.

But the spin tactic is REAL my brutha.

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